{"id":7244,"date":"2016-09-09T14:53:03","date_gmt":"2016-09-09T12:53:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/laregledujeu.org\/arrabal\/?p=7244"},"modified":"2016-09-14T10:33:14","modified_gmt":"2016-09-14T08:33:14","slug":"interview-de-fernando-arrabal-diego-moldes-y-version-espanola","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/laregledujeu.org\/arrabal\/2016\/09\/09\/7244\/interview-de-fernando-arrabal-diego-moldes-y-version-espanola\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview de Fernando Arrabal, par Diego Moldes (50 questions) \u2026 \u00ab y la versi\u00f3n espa\u00f1ola\u00a0\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"

En fran\u00e7ais et en espagnol.\u00ab<\/em><\/p>\n

Diego Moldes : Tu viens de f\u00eater tes 84 ans, que demandes-tu \u00e0 la vie \u00e0 cet \u00e2ge avanc\u00e9 ?<\/p>\n

Fernando Arrabal\u00a0:<\/strong> \u2026plus de r\u00e9alisations\u2026 plus de temps, si Pan le veut\u2026en r\u00e8gle g\u00e9n\u00e9rale, je ne m\u2019en tiens jamais \u00e0 la r\u00e8gle g\u00e9n\u00e9rale.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

L\u2019ann\u00e9e derni\u00e8re tu as ouvert ton compte sur twitter\u00a0; la semaine derni\u00e8re tu en as ouvert un autre sur Instagram. Que repr\u00e9sentent pour toi les r\u00e9seaux sociaux\u00a0?<\/p>\n

\u2026tweet avec des\u00a0arrabalesques\u2026 des photos de po\u00e8mes plastiques\u2026 les langues sont\u2026 si archa\u00efques.<\/p>\n

Cette ann\u00e9e tu as publi\u00e9\u00a0\u00abL\u2019extravagante r\u00e9ussite de Miguel de Cervant\u00e8s et William Shakespeare\u00bb \u00a0(Au crayon qui tue), le roman\u00a0\u00a0\u00abEl circunspecto\u00bb (Reino de Cordelia), \u00abEl Extravagante triunfo de Miguel de Cerbantes [avec\u00a0b] y William Shakespeare\u00bb (Libros del Innombrable) et \u00abCredo quia confusum\u00bb (ta \u2018poes\u00eda reunida\u2019 en Huerga & Fierro). Que peux-tu dire au public pour qu\u2019il lise ces deux livres\u00a0?<\/p>\n

\u2026est-ce ta mission\u00a0?\u2026 les malentendants ont-ils le monopole des malentendus\u00a0? Breton, Ginsberg, Cioran Jarry, Baudelaire etc. sont morts sans conna\u00eetre\u2026 now\u00a0!: futur du pass\u00e9 compos\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Je te propose un jeu panique minimaliste. Moi je dis un mot et toi, avec ton esprit de surdou\u00e9, tu r\u00e9ponds par un seul mot. La premi\u00e8re chose qui te passera par la t\u00eate.\u00a0\u00a0Allons-y\u00a0:\u00a0\u2014\u00a0Surr\u00e9alisme<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u2026monument d\u2019Andr\u00e9 Breton\u2026 puisque la science d\u00e9montre tout\u2026 surtout l\u2019ind\u00e9montrable.<\/p>\n

Dada<\/p>\n

F.A. .-\u00a0\u2026 premi\u00e8re explosion \u00a0\u2026 le 25-IX-16\u00a0conf\u00e9rence\u00a0\u00ab\u00a0Mis partidas con Tristan Tzara \u00a0y mi partida con su hijo\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/p>\n

Pataphysique<\/p>\n

\u2026dada: 7, surr\u00e9a: 2, pata: 1, pan: 3 = manifestes.<\/p>\n

Topor<\/p>\n

\u2026lucidit\u00e9, g\u00e9n\u00e9rosit\u00e9,\u00a0\u00a0il a grandi \u00e0 la sueur de sa r\u00e9volte.<\/p>\n

Jodorowsky<\/p>\n

\u2026magie : de tout feu il fait son bois.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Panique<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u2026\u201ctohu-bohu\u201d\u2026 \u00e9blouis par l\u2019inefficacit\u00e9 des \u00e9toiles.<\/p>\n

Th\u00e9\u00e2tre de l\u2019absurde<\/p>\n

\u2026\u00e9tranger \u00e0 mon propos\u2026 de mon ivresse je ne garde\u00a0\u00a0que l\u2019\u00e9nigme de Marie Brizard \u00abet Roger\u00bb.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Th\u00e9\u00e2tre moderne<\/p>\n

\u2026il commence au conditionnel\u2026 pour d\u00e9boucher sur le futur\u00a0?<\/p>\n

\u00a0Echecs<\/p>\n

\u2026oxymore : imagination\/rigueur\u2026 souverain comme un tsunami.<\/p>\n

Cervant\u00e8s<\/p>\n

\u2026la confusion embrouille \u201clas\u00a0cordes\u201d<\/em>(th\u00e9orie).<\/p>\n

Shakespeare<\/p>\n

\u2026fid\u00e8le reflet du \u201ctohu-bohu\u201d\u2026 avec les tendres extravagances de l\u2019imberbe surdou\u00e9.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

France<\/p>\n

\u2026accueillante : c\u2019est pourquoi je devrais figurer comme pi\u00e9ton dans sa nomenclature.<\/p>\n

Par\u00eds 1955<\/p>\n

\u2026c\u2019\u00e9tait et c\u2019est une tangente au mythe trigonom\u00e9trique.<\/p>\n

Cin\u00e9ma<\/p>\n

\u2026pour l\u2019auteur (el hacedor<\/em>) : \u00e9norme effort ; le spectateur est un aveugle\u00a0; le meilleur\u00a0: Borges\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bu\u00f1uel<\/p>\n

\u2026il n\u2019est jamais tomb\u00e9 dans la glu des axiomes.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Cocteau<\/p>\n

\u2026aujourd\u2019hui est-il incontestable\u00a0? demain, non\u00a0?<\/p>\n

Hitchcock<\/p>\n

\u2026 comme il subsiste en marge on ne voit pas ses traces.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Polanski<\/p>\n

\u2026le premier jour le diable cr\u00e9a l\u2019apog\u00e9e.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Spike Lee<\/p>\n

\u2026il r\u00eave du silence\/apoth\u00e9ose du Madison Square Garden muet.<\/p>\n

Edgar Morin<\/p>\n

\u2026nous allons de l\u2019avant sans m\u00e9moire historique\u2026 quand la rue de Saint-P\u00e9tersbourg reviendra-t-elle la rue de L\u00e9ningrad?<\/p>\n

Kundera<\/p>\n

\u2026le grand romancier ; quand nous recherchons la V\u00e9rit\u00e9, est-ce quand nous commettons le plus d\u2019erreurs\u00a0?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Borges<\/p>\n

\u2026un ma\u00eetre; pas m\u00eame une seule fois, lors de mon dernier film, nous ne nous sommes repos\u00e9s avec un requin affam\u00e9.<\/p>\n

P\u00e9rez-Reverte<\/p>\n

\u2026souvent seul\u2026 parmi les autres.<\/p>\n

Boris Izaguirre<\/p>\n

\u2026le chauvinisme permet de savoir que nous sommes les premiers (ou les derniers) parce que nos p\u00e8res sont n\u00e9s dans le pays.<\/p>\n

Bernard-Henri L\u00e9vy<\/p>\n

\u2026mon fr\u00e8re ; il court plus vite! l\u2019existence commence plus tard.<\/p>\n

Picasso<\/p>\n

\u2026le h\u00e9ros (avec la Pasionaria) de l\u2019Union Sovi\u00e9tique\u00a0\u00a0son apparence\u2026 ne le refl\u00e8te jamais.<\/p>\n

Arte<\/p>\n

\u2026OK, mister Nietzsche.<\/p>\n

Peintres<\/p>\n

\u2026apr\u00e8s Duchamp, sans pressentiments au lieu d\u2019intuition, ils jouent aux d\u00e9s.<\/p>\n

XXIe si\u00e8cle<\/p>\n

\u2026nous sommes des passagers parmi des psychotropes ethniques.<\/p>\n

Espagne<\/p>\n

\u2026l\u2019imparfait? toujours de taille humaine? ou le parfait?<\/p>\n

Europe<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u2026des Hourdes – \u00abTierra sin pan\u00bb – (1932),\u00a0cultiv\u00e9 (2016).<\/p>\n

\u00a0Hitler<\/p>\n

\u2026Dieu, gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 son infinie omniscience, a fix\u00e9 les centim\u00e8tres de sa taille.<\/p>\n

Staline<\/p>\n

\u2026un surdou\u00e9 qui a b\u00e2ti l\u2019utopie capable de transformer ses surdou\u00e9s en cr\u00e9tins.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Gandhi<\/p>\n

\u2026un tricheur pour les uns et un juste pour les autres: je suppose que la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 doit se trouver dans le juste milieu.<\/p>\n

Dala\u00ef Lama<\/p>\n

\u2026myst\u00e9rieux\u00a0; de p\u00e8re en fils sont-ils tous bouddhistes\u00a0?<\/p>\n

Bouddha<\/p>\n

\u2026le superlucide, puisque l\u2019\u0153uf pr\u00e9c\u00e8de la poule et m\u00eame Dieu.<\/p>\n

Freud<\/p>\n

\u2026en hiver ses tortues pratiquaient-elles la perversion sexuelle de la chastet\u00e9?<\/p>\n

Marx (Karl)<\/p>\n

\u2026le plus bipolaire de ses marxistes\/daltoniens est-il un rouge vert?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Marx (Groucho)<\/p>\n

\u2026il \u00e9tait si superbement sybarite qu\u2019il inventait des erreurs.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Melilla<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u2026on ne conna\u00eet les \u00abpo\u00e8tes vivants\u00bb de Melilla que bien apr\u00e8s leur mort.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Arrabal<\/p>\n

\u2026je b\u00e2tis de tels ch\u00e2teaux en Espagne que leurs d\u00e9combres ne me servent \u00e0 rien.<\/p>\n

Luve Moreau (Lis)<\/p>\n

\u2026avec la po\u00e9sie : elle est d\u2019une insolite actualit\u00e9.<\/p>\n

\n

Entrevista a Fernando\u00a0Arrabal,\u00a0por Diego Moldes<\/h2>\n

Acabas de cumplir 84 a\u00f1os, \u00bfqu\u00e9 le pides a la vida a esa provecta edad?<\/p>\n

\u2026m\u00e1s obras \u2026m\u00e1s tiempo, si Pan quiere\u2026 en regla general, nunca me atengo a la regla general.<\/p>\n

\u00a0El a\u00f1o pasado abriste tu cuenta en Twitter, la semana pasada abriste otra en Facebook. \u00bfQu\u00e9 son para ti las redes sociales?<\/p>\n

…tweet con\u00a0arrabalescos\u2026 fotos de\u00a0\u00a0poemas pl\u00e1sticos\u2026 las lenguas son\u2026 tan arcaicas.<\/p>\n

Este a\u00f1o has publicado \u00abL\u2019extravagante r\u00e9ussite de Miguel de Cervant\u00e8s et William Shakespeare\u00bb (Au crayon qui tue), la novela El circunspecto (Reino de Cordelia),\u00a0\u00a0\u00abEl extravagante triunfo de Miguel de Cerbantes [con be] y William Shakespeare\u00bb (Libros del Innombrable) y \u00abCredo quia confusum\u00bb (tu \u2018poes\u00eda reunida\u2019 en Huerga & Fierro). \u00bfQu\u00e9 puedes decir al p\u00fablico para que lea estos nuevos libros tuyos?<\/p>\n

\u2026es tu misi\u00f3n\u2026 los \u201cmalentendientes\u201d \u00bfmonopolizan los malentendidos? Breton, Ginsberg, Cioran Jarry, Bauderlaire\u00a0\u00a0etc\u00a0\u00a0murieron sin conocer \u2026 \u00a1now! : futuro del pret\u00e9rito pasado.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Te propongo un escueto juego P\u00e1nico. Yo digo un nombre o palabra y t\u00fa, con tu mente superdotada, respondes con una sola palabra. Dos a lo sumo. Lo primero que se te pase por la cabeza. All\u00e1 vamos :\u00a0\u2014\u00a0Surrealismo<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u2026monumento de Andr\u00e9 Breton\u2026 puesto que la ciencia lo demuestra todo\u2026 sobre todo lo indemostrable.<\/p>\n

Dad\u00e1<\/p>\n

\u2026 primera explosi\u00f3n\u2026 el 25-IX-16\u00a0conferencia.\u00a0\u00ab\u00a0Mis partidas con Tristan Tzara \u00a0y mi partida con su hijo\u00a0\u00bb.<\/em><\/p>\n

Pataf\u00edsica<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u2026dad\u00e1: 7, surrea: 2, pata: 1, pan: 3 = manifiestos.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Topor<\/p>\n

\u2026lucidez, generosidad, creci\u00f3 con el sudor de su rebeli\u00f3n.<\/p>\n

Jodorowsky<\/p>\n

\u2026magia : de todo fuego hace su le\u00f1a.<\/p>\n

P\u00e1nico<\/p>\n

\u2026 \u201ctohu-bohu\u201d\u2026 deslumbrados por la ineficacia de las estrellas.<\/p>\n

Teatro absurdo<\/p>\n

\u2026ajeno a mi prop\u00f3sito; de mi embriaguez : \u00fanicamente conservo el enigma de la caligraf\u00eda del an\u00eds Chinch\u00f3n.<\/p>\n

Teatro moderno<\/p>\n

\u2026comienza en condicional \u00bfpara desembocar en futuro?<\/p>\n

\u00a0Ajedrez<\/p>\n

\u2026ox\u00edmoron : imaginaci\u00f3n\/rigor\u2026 soberano como un maremoto.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Cervantes<\/p>\n

\u2026la confusi\u00f3n embrolla \u201clas\u00a0cuerdas\u201d\u00a0<\/em>(teor\u00eda).<\/p>\n

\u00a0Shakespeare<\/p>\n

\u2026fiel reflejo del \u201ctohu-bohu\u201d con los tiernos dislates del imberbe superdotado.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Francia<\/p>\n

\u2026acogedora: por ello en su nomenclatura deber\u00eda figurar como peat\u00f3n.<\/p>\n

Par\u00eds 1955<\/p>\n

\u2026era y es una tangente en el mito trigonom\u00e9trico.<\/p>\n

Cine<\/p>\n

\u2026para el hacedor: enorme esfuerzo; el espectador es un ciego: el mejor,\u00a0\u00a0Borges<\/p>\n

\u00a0Bu\u00f1uel<\/p>\n

\u2026nunca cay\u00f3 en el glu de los axiomas.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Cocteau<\/p>\n

\u2026hoy es \u00bfindiscutible? ma\u00f1ana \u00bfno?<\/p>\n

\u00a0Hitchcock<\/p>\n

\u2026 como subsiste al margen ; no se ven sus huellas.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Polanski<\/p>\n

\u2026el primer d\u00eda el diablo cre\u00f3 la culminaci\u00f3n.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Spike Lee<\/p>\n

\u2026sue\u00f1a\u00a0\u00a0con el silencio apote\u00f3sico del Madison Square Garden mudo.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Edgar Morin<\/p>\n

\u2026vamos sin memoria hist\u00f3rica cuando la calle San Petersburgo \u00bfvolver\u00e1\u00a0\u00a0a ser la calle Leningrado?<\/p>\n

Kundera<\/p>\n

\u2026el gran novelista; cuando buscamos la Verdad \u00bfes cuando m\u00e1s errores cometemos?<\/p>\n

Borges<\/p>\n

\u2026 ni siquiera una sola vez, durante el \u00faltimo film, descansamos con un tibur\u00f3n hambriento<\/p>\n

\u00a0P\u00e9rez-Reverte<\/p>\n

\u2026frecuentemente solo\u2026entre los dem\u00e1s.<\/p>\n

Boris Izaguirre<\/p>\n

\u2026el patrioterismo permite saber que somos los primeros (o los \u00faltimos) porque nuestros padres nacieron en\u00a0\u00a0el pa\u00eds.<\/p>\n

Bernard-Henri L\u00e9vy<\/p>\n

\u2026mi hermano; \u00a0\u00a1corre m\u00e1s de prisa! la existencia comienza luego.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Picasso<\/p>\n

\u2026al h\u00e9roe (con Pasionaria) de la Uni\u00f3n Sovi\u00e9tica\u00a0\u00a0su apariencia\u2026 no le refleja nunca.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Arte<\/p>\n

\u2026OK,\u00a0\u00a0mister Nietzsche.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Pintores<\/p>\n

\u2026despu\u00e9s de Duchamp, sin presentimientos en vez de intuici\u00f3n juegan a los dados.<\/p>\n

Siglo XXI<\/p>\n

\u2026somos pasajeros entre psic\u00f3tropos \u00e9tnicos<\/p>\n

Espa\u00f1a<\/p>\n

\u2026\u00bflo imperfecto? \u00bfsiempre de talla humana? o \u00bflo perfecto?\u2026<\/p>\n

\u00a0Europa<\/p>\n

\u2026unas Hurdes (1932), culta (2016).<\/p>\n

\u00a0Hitler<\/p>\n

\u2026Dios, gracias a su infinita omnisciencia determin\u00f3 los cent\u00edmetros de su talla.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Stalin<\/p>\n

\u2026un superdotado que construy\u00f3 la utop\u00eda capaz de transformar a sus superdotados en cretinos<\/p>\n

\u00a0Gandhi<\/p>\n

\u2026un tramposo para unos y un\u00a0\u00a0justo para los dem\u00e1s : la verdad supongo que\u00a0\u00a0estar\u00e1 en el \u201cjuste milieu\u201d (el equilibrio justo).<\/p>\n

Dalai Lama<\/p>\n

\u2026misterioso\u00a0; de padre a hijos \u00bftodos son budistas?<\/p>\n

\u00a0Buda<\/p>\n

\u2026el\u00a0\u00a0\u201csuperl\u00facido\u201d , puesto que el huevo es anterior a la gallina e incluso a Dios.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Freud<\/p>\n

\u2026en el invierno sus tortugas \u00bfpracticaban la perversi\u00f3n sexual de la castidad?<\/p>\n

Marx (Karl)<\/p>\n

\u2026el mas bipolar de sus marxistas\/daltonianos \u00bfes un\u00a0\u00a0rojo verde?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Marx (Groucho)<\/p>\n

\u2026era tan soberbiamente sibarita que inventaba errores.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Melilla<\/p>\n

\u2026no conocemos a los \u201cpoetas vivos\u201d de Melilla sino\u00a0\u00a0mucho despu\u00e9s de sus muertes.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Arrabal<\/p>\n

\u2026construyo\u00a0\u00a0tales castillos en el aire que no me valen sus escombros.<\/p>\n

Luce Moreau (Lis)<\/p>\n

\u2026con la poes\u00eda: es de una ins\u00f3lita actualidad.<\/p>\n

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